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    QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    Alright, QuanTanium is a new non-stick coating out there, and there have been a lot of questions about it. After several emails and such I have finally got the definitive answer on the safety of Quantanium. Keep in mind that there has been a lot of mis-information out there. There was a much older thread where someone had email Cuisinart and they had said that QuanTanium is safe, but it is not.

    Here is the answer straight from the horse's mouth, Whitford Corporation, the company that designed QuanTanium:

    I'm not quite sure why we didn't respond to you in the past, but I will this time.

    As a supplier of nonstick coatings, we are very well aware of the problem of pet birds and overheated nonstick coatings.

    While it is true that the fumes from decomposing PTFE (e.g. "Teflon") can be fatal to birds, the fumes from overheated foods can have the same effect. In fact, the toxic fumes from over heated foods are emitted far below the temperatures required to decompose PTFE. In many cases, PTFE takes the blame when it was actually the food being burned which was the culprit.

    To answer your specific question, yes, QuanTanium does contain PTFE. Virtually every quality nonstick on the market contains PTFE as the nonstick component. If you are looking for good cookware which has a nonstick coating, you will not find any that do not contain PTFE.

    Your choices will be to use uncoated cookware or to use coated cookware carefully. As you point out in your email, "PTFE is potentially lethal to" pet birds. Properly used, nonstick coatings provide a safe, healthful way of cooking.

    I hope this answers you questions and possibly allays some concerns. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have further questions.

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    jbadner@whitfordww.com
    So there it is, despite what Cusinart has stated QuanTanium does indeed contain PTFE.
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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    i avoid all non-stick. frankly, it's surprising that it is everywhere the way that it is!

    it is totally unecessary- if you know how to cook, your food doesn't stick. if you make a mistake, all you do is soak the pot/pan or boil water in it!

    all PTFE products are known human carcinogens. why would anyone want to cook with them?

    as someone who was trained in the culinary & pastry arts, i can attest that no professional chef uses these things. (cake bakers would rather grease & flour a pan than use a nonstick) they use stainless steel or copper (or a combo). many also use cast iron, enameled cast iron, silicone bakeware, and ceramic cookware. these are more durabe, safer, and don't transmit bad stuff into your food.

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    Thanks for the research and info, tielguy.
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    Yes, thank you for all the effort!
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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    I think that pure titanium cookware is the only completely safe non-stick cookware. But it's so expensive that it makes it impractical. $400 for a 4 piece set is just too much.
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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    It is not true that non-stick coatings without PTFE simply do not exist.
    BEKA is a company that advertises using a ceramic coating "bekadur ceramica" which is PTFE free.
    It seems to be available in Europe only! But it exists.
    I wanted to buy a sandwich grill, and I have given up. In general I just put some oil in the pan, of course. Small amounts of oil are very healthy. It is absurd to want to cook without it, and use carcinogenic substances instead. But it is probably true that any kind of overheated product (smoke) is dangerous to birds.

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    Lets not resurrect 5 year old posts, hmmm?

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    If a 5 year old post is still valid, why not? This is still a highly informative and useful post for someone that doesn't know.

    It's not like a question that had been long answered and the poster isn't even on the forum anymore.

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    I think this has been covered ad infinitum on the "non-stick" sticky. This could have easily been added to that post, which is checked regularly and is still "alive" as it were.

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    It is handy info, regardless of the date it was originally posted.

    I love the way they try to mitigate the damage caused by PTFE's and blame it on overcooked foods.

    While it is true that the fumes from decomposing PTFE (e.g. "Teflon") can be fatal to birds, the fumes from overheated foods can have the same effect. In fact, the toxic fumes from over heated foods are emitted far below the temperatures required to decompose PTFE. In many cases, PTFE takes the blame when it was actually the food being burned which was the culprit.
    So it wasn't their scientifically proven highly carcinogenic, toxic Teflon that killled the beloved pet,
    it was your over-cooked casserole.

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    Hahahaa! Yeah I agree with you there Buteo. Only poisonous if the birds eats my burnt food IMO. Well if they did completely admit it they would be admitting they were responsible for all the dead birds who parents cooked with non stick stuff. I don't know any company that upfront and honest!

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    Re: QuanTanium is *NOT* safe for birds.

    Well, it was somones overcooking that overheated the teflon that killed the bird. Its the whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

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