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    Question New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    I posted about our first new chick not being fed by parents a couple of days ago. After getting lots of support from this forum (Thanks, Nicole!) we decided yesterday afternoon to pull the chick, set up a brooder and try hand feeding.

    The chick is still alive, and has grown already! We are feeding every 2 hours round the clock. He seems to be stronger, and more demanding with every feeding.

    However, I do have some concerns, and hope that someone can answer a couple of questions. Between feedings, I have been online reading everything that I can find on handfeeding. Much of this is cause for concern!!

    I understand that the crop needs to be empty, or nearly empty before each feeding. This seems to be working fine. I also read that NOT overstretching the crop by overfeeding is important, and that the chick pretty much will stop eating when he has had enough. This too, I can understand........

    However, when I get to the charts that give a range of quantity that should be fed at each feeding for this age, I see 1-2 cc. My chick is eating just a 1/2 cc at each feeding, and the crop looks well full, and doesn't want any more. Now I don't know that I am sure exactly how big a full crop is at 2 days. I have taken some photos after the last feeding and was hoping that someone could take a look and let me know if this is indeed a full enough crop, or if I am being stingy with the food.... however, I am unable to post attachments, and don't know what to do to get permission to post. Any suggestions????

    Really could use a few more eyes, (experienced eyes) to take a peek and see if we are doing ok.

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    The amount each baby will take depends very much on them, some will take more while some less (or so I found with day old zebra finchlings). As long as it seems full and the baby isn't begging then I wouldn't worry too much.

    To post an attachment you need to subscribe to the site, you pay a small fee for extra features such as attachments. If you don't want to pay then you can join up to the Tailfeather Gallery (button for it along the top of the screen), you need to join up separately to the site but it helps if you use the same username so we know who you are, then from there you can upload the pictures and paste links to them for people to look at.

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    Well, I am very happy to subscribe to the site..... I have to guess that this is different from registering....

    But call me stupid... I don't see anywhere to subscribe and pay a fee!

    Could you direct me to the proper area? This forum has been such a wealth of support and information already, that I think a fee is more than reasonable, just don't know who or where to pay!
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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    If you go into your User Control Panel by clicking the "User CP" button along the blue bar then down the bottom is Paid Subscriptions, How much it is, how to pay etc is on there.

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    Thanks for the information. Have paid for subscription, but looks like it may take a bit to be activated, so I have managed to upload two photos to the gallery, under same username cindyh.

    If anyone has a moment to take a peek and let me know how we are doing, I would really appreciate it.

    I have raised 5 children from scratch, and didn't find it as difficult as this baby bird!!!

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    Thanks Cindy. I'm glad I've been able to help somewhat. I hope Dani sees this thread as she handfed a chick and would know more than I do. I'll PM her and see if she can take a peek for you.
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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    hi there. nicole PMed me about this post. i usually skip the babies sections, so i can easily miss threads like this one.

    early last year, i rescued a dad & clutch (the mom had died after laying), and the dad was feeding the chicks- although two of the chicks not so much. i named the chicks uno, dos, & tres. dos & tres had to be handfed, but ultimately did not make it. they had such a bad start (malnourished) no amount of extra help could have saved them. but you most likely have been feeeding your birds (parents, who passed on nutrients in turn to the babies from the very start) nutritious food.

    hopefully, you have pulled the chick early enough (although i'm sure that you have been told the odds are against them- and if they do survive they may have some health problems...). uno, the chick that did make it, is permanently stunted- about 72 g instead of a healthy 90. he also has feeble feet- he had such a calcium deficiency his toes curled inward & his keel bone was rubbery & flexible. and he has perpetual air saculitis. but he is a happy happy bird- he sings & plays all the time & has a loving adoptive mother (who adopted him & dad as a pair). happy endings do happen- i wish this for you & your clutch.

    now, to your questions/comments:

    Quote Originally Posted by cindyh
    The chick is still alive, and has grown already! We are feeding every 2 hours round the clock. He seems to be stronger, and more demanding with every feeding.
    that's awesome. sounds like you are doing all the right things.

    Quote Originally Posted by cindyh
    ]I understand that the crop needs to be empty, or nearly empty before each feeding. This seems to be working fine. I also read that NOT overstretching the crop by overfeeding is important, and that the chick pretty much will stop eating when he has had enough. This too, I can understand........
    yes. it's also important that the crop emptying happens consistently- if for any reason that the crop does not empty for an extended period (since you say you are feeding about every two hours, several hours longer than that)you need to see a vet. sour crop (fermented spoiled food in the crop) can happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by cindyh
    However, when I get to the charts that give a range of quantity that should be fed at each feeding for this age, I see 1-2 cc. My chick is eating just a 1/2 cc at each feeding, and the crop looks well full, and doesn't want any more. Now I don't know that I am sure exactly how big a full crop is at 2 days. I have taken some photos after the last feeding and was hoping that someone could take a look and let me know if this is indeed a full enough crop, or if I am being stingy with the food.... however, I am unable to post attachments, and don't know what to do to get permission to post. Any suggestions????
    i'll look at the photos & post again. i'm sure you are fine. you probably have a chick on the small side (probably sickly, which is why the parents stopped feeding it in the first place) & it eats less than a healthy chick pulled from its parents (which are the guidelines you are reading).

    if the chick is growing and gaining weight, you are OK. a chick should gain every day, never lose weight. do you have a gram scale? you need to weigh the chick daily before the first feeding.

    again, i'll look at the photos & repost.

    since caring for dando &uno, i have also hadfed baby cockatoos & macaws (i think that's easier- the syringes are bigger and it's easier to see what you are doing!)

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    OK- looked at your photos- boy, do they take me back! i know what you mean by human child rearing being easier!

    i hope that you have help with the round the clock feedings. it gets very wearing!

    so from the photos that i saw, the crop is only half full of food. the balloon is mainly air- that's common in beginning handfeeders. (don't feel bad)

    tips:
    1. make sure your syringe has no air in it. turn ti up, flick with your finger to get air bubbles to the top, press syringe until only formula comes out.

    2. i know it's hard to get the food down the bird while it bobs it's head, but get the syringe as far back into the open mouth before the bobbing starts so that the food can easily get down there with no stopping and starting (which causes the gulping of air).

    3. if you continue to get half food, half air- you may need to feed more often (groan).

    keep posting in this thread- i'll subscribe to this post to answer more questions.

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    Thanks for your information. Regarding the photos, I knew that it would look like the crop was filled mostly with air. The food we were using said to mix 6 parts water to 1 part food, and not to worry that it separated. Well, it did, in the syringe, and also in the crop!! You can see the thick grainy part in the bottom of the crop, and all the watery stuff was at the top!!! Drove me nuts, and I actually had to get a magnifying visor to wear to see this and watch to make sure that there was no air in the syringe, etc.

    Unfortunately, the chick died yesterday during a feeding. After several successful feedings, and almost feeling like maybe this was do-able, he simply stopped swallowing (and breathing) and died in my hand. I have to guess that the food went down the wrong pipe and suffocated him.

    We had just gotten home with the gram scale before this feeding, and found that at 2 days, he only weighed 3.5 grams, which according to the charts was very small. So I do have to wonder if he was small because of the parents not feeding for the first 24 hours, or if there was something else wrong, and we should have left well enough alone.

    Anyway, we are heartbroken. Inspite of telling ourselves that the chances of him surviving were slim anyway, we managed to get awfully attached anyway.

    There are four more eggs, (this was the first to hatch, and I kinda expected another to hatch yesterday, ) but so far, nothing else has developed. In a sad way, the idea that the other eggs might not be viable is a relief, if the parents are not going to feed, since we obviously aren't able to do it correctly either.

    On the other hand, if any more do hatch, and the parents refuse to feed, we will probably again try to do what we can, and will be back to the forum for support.

    Thanks for your help,
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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    ((((Cindy))))) Big hugs to you!

    I'm sooo sorry Peanut didn't make it. You did EVERYTHING you could, you know that right? I know its easy to get attached. I know I did and I never held him in my hand. You tried your hardest for this lil one and that's the best anyone can do.

    We're right here for you if the other hatch and require your assistance as well. Hopefully, if THEY do hatch, Mom and Dad will care for them and everything will be okay.

    My heart goes out to you for all that exhausting work and all those hopes. Again.. my sympathies.

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    Re: New Chick Update-posting attachments?

    oh, i am so sorry.

    aspiration (inhaling the formula) is so common in handfeeding. i know exactly how you fel little tres died in my hands too, after i rushed it to a specialist (i feared sour crop, as the chick stopped processing its food in a timely way). 5 minutes after we got there, it died in my hand. i bawled like a baby.

    we buried dos & tres under a tree at the park near lake merritt, a natural salt water lake in oakland that has a bird sanctuary. (i've buried some pet rats there, too- i'm sure its illegal...). the ceremony helped with closure, even though we had only known the chicks for a couple of weeks.

    hope that you all feel better soon, too.

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