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    Re: My new African grey

    Chelsea, please learn the facts before giving uninformed advice. General practice Vets recieve minimal education in Avian medicine....any honest and caring general practice vet will send you to an avian vet asap when you bring a sick bird in.

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    Yeah, I've seen firsthand some true butchery by regular vets that worked on birds. (Used to see this a lot when I worked in birdstores.) I was astonished at some of the things that these vets did or said. The worst I ever saw was a wing clipping that took off all of the primaries and secondaries and cut up to just below the bones. The poor bird was crippled. True, the feathers will grow back, but one jump off a perch and that bird was going to be injured for sure. Anyway, there are good regular vets that are skilled in caring for birds but there are also regular vets who know very little about treating birds and should refer the patients out, rather than treating them. Just because a person is a good dog and cat vet doesn't mean that they know what they're about when it comes to birds or any exotics for that matter. It's almost like going to a family doctor when you've got a rare neurological disorder or cancer or something like that. Trust me, you'd want the specialist.
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    Re: My new African grey

    Hate to say it but I agree, if I had a brain turmor I would not want my DO to be the one to take it out.
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    Re: My new African grey

    Quote Originally Posted by chelssmith
    a liscensed vet has gone through vet school. in vet school they teach you health for birds. they may not be as expertice as an avian vet but if they are liscensed then they have learned about bird health professionally. They simply havent specialized in it. LIKE I SAID.....go to another for a second opinion though. Also, how old is the bird?
    You clearly are being brain washed by someone... Who knows who is telling you this info but they must be good if you believe it. The University of Guelph, that has likely the best veterinary medicine program in Canada, DOES have an avian component to the program. Do you have any idea how long it is? Here is the whole truth.

    The avian component used to be a whole 4 days; that's out of a four year program. Now it's 4 days TOTAL for all avian and exotics. The only way to get any more experience than the mandatory 4 days is to do part of your Rounds in Avain and Exotic. The longest you can be on Rounds in one department is two weeks. So, after graduating and becoming a licensed vet, you can potentially have a total of two weeks, four days under your belt. REAL "qualified" if you ask me...

    As for whether or not all this is true, if it's not, someone has WAY too much time on their hands to mess with people who truly care. If it is true (which I now highly doubt), you clearly need to learn a lot more about birds or you may potentially mess up this poor African grey for life. You are administering medication without even having a diagnosis (or a diagnosis based on physical appearance alone), you are subjecting a newly acquired bird to oral medication, medication in the water and nose cleanings (?????) as well as trusting it's life in the hands of a vet who can sex it upon phyical appearance. Just doesn't happen.


    If you are just taking all of us for a ride, pat yourself on the back for a job well done and move on.

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    Re: My new African grey

    Quote Originally Posted by peachee
    You clearly are being brain washed by someone... Who knows who is telling you this info but they must be good if you believe it. The University of Guelph, that has likely the best veterinary medicine program in Canada, DOES have an avian component to the program. Do you have any idea how long it is? Here is the whole truth.

    The avian component used to be a whole 4 days; that's out of a four year program. Now it's 4 days TOTAL for all avian and exotics. The only way to get any more experience than the mandatory 4 days is to do part of your Rounds in Avain and Exotic. The longest you can be on Rounds in one department is two weeks. So, after graduating and becoming a licensed vet, you can potentially have a total of two weeks, four days under your belt. REAL "qualified" if you ask me...

    As for whether or not all this is true, if it's not, someone has WAY too much time on their hands to mess with people who truly care. If it is true (which I now highly doubt), you clearly need to learn a lot more about birds or you may potentially mess up this poor African grey for life. You are administering medication without even having a diagnosis (or a diagnosis based on physical appearance alone), you are subjecting a newly acquired bird to oral medication, medication in the water and nose cleanings (?????) as well as trusting it's life in the hands of a vet who can sex it upon phyical appearance. Just doesn't happen.


    If you are just taking all of us for a ride, pat yourself on the back for a job well done and move on.

    I have to agree 100% with you Peachee. WELL SAID! This whole thread smells of TROLL to me. From what I understand this person has both his birds with him. He went from Canada to SA with his bird, no quaranteen and got another bird all within a 13 day time period. THEN he claims to have his bird see 3 different vets with in a 3 day period which just happens to be a weekend. Who all conincendentally tell him EXACTLY the same thing. Hmmmm TROLL. Stop pulling at all these nice peoples heart strings makeing us imagine what that poor bird is going through with you as an owner.

    Chealsea- If you REALLY believe that stuff you posted then YOU are the one who needs to see a DR. Thats just mental. Would you let your dentist do heart surgery on yourself? I think not.
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    Re: My new African grey

    How is it going with your new Grey? Healthy? What did your "vet" say? How are you going to get your birds home?


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    Re: My new African grey

    Quote Originally Posted by FairyMom2Two
    From what I understand this person has both his birds with him. He went from Canada to SA with his bird, no quaranteen and got another bird all within a 13 day time period. THEN he claims to have his bird see 3 different vets with in a 3 day period which just happens to be a weekend. Who all conincendentally tell him EXACTLY the same thing. Hmmmm TROLL. Stop pulling at all these nice peoples heart strings makeing us imagine what that poor bird is going through with you as an owner.
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    hey guys I just wanna tell ya that the holidays here r thursday and friday not saturday n sunday
    that's why the vet clinic is opne on sunday
    and when I told the consultant about the shot he
    told me that she won't need it because
    she's getting better now and I can see the difference
    and they do have lots of vets here

    I BOUGHT THE COCKATIEL FROM CANADA AND THE AFRICAN GREY FROM SA

    and one thing guys I'm not lying to ya
    I went to two vet and one consultant vet
    and she's great now she eats she drinks her water
    and I gave her some apples n carrots and she ate them
    I don't know why u r not believing me?
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    Just wanted to point out that Sunday is working day in Saudi-Arabia... unfortunately, my father spent past 3 years in Egypt managin some stupid project for his company (here) and he has to work Friday because it's working day for his company here (which is the only not orking day in Middle East), and then he has to work normal weekend because they work and he needs to manage them...

    The whole story is BS. There are a lot of "Sick" people who don't have anything better to do, or are SO lonely that they will do anything to fit in.

    Just a reminder to those people - you don't have to actually have a bird, or make stories that you do to be on this board, and to be accepted. We like people here and we like to educate as well as learn from others.

    As to nose cleaning... Well, I clean Bill's boogers - hand and paper towel - I don't think it requires vet assistance.

    General Vet vs. Avi Cert... as most of you remember Bill's experience about month ago - not all avi-cert vets know what they are doing: Bill is a BF amazon, he is supposed to have black around his feathers - I've been told that he is sick on the basis of his feathers, and I've been told that he is underweight without actually putting him on a gram scale. He BUTCHERED his wings and Bill refuses to open them now. He also slandered my regular vet by saying "he misdiagnosed your Bird, birds do not have allergies in any other form that skin irritation". I can demonstrate - take Bill out right now outside (high pollen count) 5 minute later he starts oozing and snut starts coming out - so he can not allergy my ****. On the other hand my regular vet who is not certified, took Bill in the next day, ran all the tests, those that he was not sure - sent to his back up clinic. He told right away that if he is not sure of himself - he will send us to the bird clinic in Quackertown (2 hours away but worth it). My point is all vets are different, I would never take my bird to a general practitioner that never seen a bird, but if someone specializes in birds but does not have time to take the certification test - don't tell they are bad without evidence. The same way - don't trust all the avi-certs just because they are certified. I would say go with your gutt feeling. I didn't like my avi-cert wet for (1) he tried to take the bird off my shoulder even though i specifically said the bird will attack if he is near me (2) he refered to him as it (3) he did not introduce himself to Bill and just started to chase him to catch (3) did not weigh him at all (4) The most important - they took Bill away into another room to be groomed and there were a lot of other birds for lab work and grooming. He just told me Bill is sick and took him in the room full of other birds?????? My non-cert vet does everything in the same room and does not stress Bill out, they play and talk first and he does not have to restrict Bill's beak to work with him with a huge metal thing!

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    Re: My new African grey

    Mmm...it just sounds fishy, is all. Either you aren't telling us the whole truth about your vet, or you can't afford to go but don't want to be scolded about it. Something just does not fit here.

    I'm not trying to accuse or point fingers, just want to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Don't worry if you did something wrong, we understand are are here to help you, not harass you.


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    Re: My new African grey

    Quote Originally Posted by McDenny
    Mmm...it just sounds fishy, is all. Either you aren't telling us the whole truth about your vet, or you can't afford to go but don't want to be scolded about it. Something just does not fit here.

    I'm not trying to accuse or point fingers, just want to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Don't worry if you did something wrong, we understand are are here to help you, not harass you.
    excellently put!

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    Re: My new African grey

    [QUOTE=FairyMom2Two

    Chealsea- If you REALLY believe that stuff you posted then YOU are the one who needs to see a DR. Thats just mental. Would you let your dentist do heart surgery on yourself? I think not.[/QUOTE]


    That is a whole different situation. I talked to a regular vet and she said that she was required to take a FULL CLASS IN BIRDS. Not just a four day beginner crap class. She knows as much about birds as my avian vet, and has recommened the same things everytime I have gone to her for second opinions. There must be a difference in how and what certain vet schools teach in different places.

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    Re: My new African grey

    Did you take the cockatiel with you or is it in Canada with someone? I assume it's in Canada. Just curious.

    When do you return? I think you've probably made a mistake in purchasing a bird in Saudi Arabia. Export and import laws for birds are very complicated, and it's a very complicated process involving forms, fees, permits (since an African Grey is on the CITES list), vet certificates, and time -- often several months. It's a lot especially because it involves two countries: you need all this stuff for one side, the export, and for the other too, the import.

    You say you'll be returning soon. Moving a bird internationally takes at least 2-3 months, I would say. How you'll be able to bring this bird back to Canada, I don't know. I don't see how it'd be possible. At any rate, good luck.

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    Re: My new African grey

    Quote Originally Posted by chelssmith
    That is a whole different situation. I talked to a regular vet and she said that she was required to take a FULL CLASS IN BIRDS. Not just a four day beginner crap class. She
    I don't mean to cause friction but do you really think A FULL CLASS is enough? A WHOLE class? Wow... I took a WHOLE CLASS on Pathology so I guess I'm now qualified to be a Pathologist... Obviously not. In vet school, one class in avian is still not a lot compared to the MANY classes they have to take in dogs, cats and even farm animals. I have looked into vet schools in the US as well so I know I am not mistaken.

    To become a certified vet you need to have six YEARS before you can apply and take the test. You may be dealing with a good vet, I'm not saying this isn't possible, but it is not the norm. I still receommend asking the qualifications and if they say they took one class in vet school, I would not consdier that to be enough. Your vet may have been practicing for 10 years for ec. and now she has more knowledge but i really doubt she got it straight out of school.

    Everyone, be cautious when choosing an vet for your birds is all I'm saying.

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    I don't even know why you are mad at me for saying this. You have no knowledge of MY vet. All i was saying from the beginning was that buying the bird could result in heartbreak but that if you really love the animal then why leave it in the petshop window! Please stop critiscizing me because I know what it is like in my area and it is apparently opposite then yours. Everyone on here always is saying that if you see a bird for sale that you fall for then go for it! I do believe a second opinion is required for this case.

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    Re: My new African grey

    No, actually, most people on here suggest you do a lot of research before buying a bird and make an informed decision, not a snap spur of the moment decision. I think most people took issue with this post because the guy is obviously making totally irrational decisions that effect both him and the bird.

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