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    English Budgie Breeders in California

    Thank you in advance for any info you might have on English Budgie breeders in California. I would like to purchase a hand reared/fed baby boy. I live in San Francisco and have been using on line resources in order to find a breeder near enough to me. I am actually surprised that I'm having such a difficult time and am batting zero so far. Can you please refer me to a responsible and reputable breeder? Best, toni

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    I live in California myself and I recently attended a Bird Mart out here in Pomona. There were A LOT of English Budgies there, including hand-fed ones. If you give me a day or so, I could look up some of the leaflets and business cards to ones that are a bit closer to you, if that is okay.
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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    I just don’t understand the reasoning behind hand feeding English budgies unless there is absolutely no other alternative to save the chick’s life. English budgies are bred for their larger stylized size. Hand feeding budgies stunts their growth UNLESS you feed through the night like momma budgie does.

    I can give you a LOT of exhibition contacts (breeder names), but none will damage their chicks by hand feeding.

    English have been breed to be mellow, it would never do to have a show bird flip out on the show bench when the judge walks up to view it. They are way easier to hand tame then the American/wild type budgie. Male budgie make better pets. Many exhibition breeders that set up at bird marts will clip the wings on a few birds. Within 30 mins they can have these birds stepping up and off their hand and they sell these birds for a lot more than their cage mates who have not been worked with.

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    yeah budgies are very easy to tame down. there is no need to handfeed. i have knwn many very sweet smart parent fed babies
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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Theres not really a reason to get a handfed one, as states by other posters.

    Also - I am not a fan of English budgies. They were bred for looks and they have so many problems that they only live for like 7 years! A budgie is supposed to live 15-20 years. They were bred for the completely wrong reason and they suffer a shorter lifespan just because people wanted them to look nice I would much rather not support their breeding. But….then I am very baised.


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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Well, for those who are planning to breed English Bugs, there's no time like the present to start breeding for longer lifespans and healthier genes. Although I agree that it does suck to be an english bug if bred by the wrong folks. But I do know that many english bug fanciers are pushing for better genes already.

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    there are many birds and animals bred for looks. even the regular american budgie is bred to come in other colors than green. as the colored ones can be sold more wuickly meaning more money. tiels are coming in new colors. canaries are bred to be frilled, or red, or to have an unatual posture. there are pigeon breeds that cannot feed their own young because of short. puppies are bred to be smaller and more unusual colors. green cheeks are being bred in new colors. it is not just the english budgie so they shouldnt be singled out
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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    it is not just the english budgie so they shouldnt be singled out
    Although I agree, to a point, the English budgie, at least in this country, is such an inbred creature that often the babies are born with a mutation known by breeders as 'the feather duster' and turn into blind, deaf and seemingly dumb creatures that can't move, fly or even sustain themselves with food, they often don't live longer than four months;



    This is one reasons I am not amazingly thrilled with the idea of breeding the English budgie, the Budgerigar society or show budgies in general. The pet type is a much healthier, energetic and adaptable bird.

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Quote Originally Posted by McDenny View Post
    Theres not really a reason to get a handfed one, as states by other posters.

    Also - I am not a fan of English budgies. They were bred for looks and they have so many problems that they only live for like 7 years! A budgie is supposed to live 15-20 years. They were bred for the completely wrong reason and they suffer a shorter lifespan just because people wanted them to look nice I would much rather not support their breeding. But….then I am very baised.
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    I can understand half of your reasoning, but am totally puzzled that you have failed to point out similar problems now in American/pet budgie caused by bird mill breeders. Why are you not voicing disfavor for the inbreeding and breeding to an exhaustive death in the American birds? The bird mill bred American/pet budgie has created budgies that now rival the size of finches! The poor quality feeding program mixed with breeding exhausted parents produces small chicks with poor health. These birds live JUST AS LONG AS MOST ENGLISH. Pet stores are “COUNTING on these birds to die out quickly so customers will come back and buy more.” I put that in quotes because that is word for word what a pet store owner told me.

    There are English bloodlines such as Mannes and Armarad that DO keep their fertility and have a longer life span. I would suggest you don’t toss the baby out with the bath water as your last comment would suggest. An understanding of breeding AND bloodlines goes a LONG way!

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Quote Originally Posted by leebee View Post
    Although I agree, to a point, the English budgie, at least in this country, is such an inbred creature that often the babies are born with a mutation known by breeders as 'the feather duster' and turn into blind, deaf and seemingly dumb creatures that can't move, fly or even sustain themselves with food, they often don't live longer than four months;



    This is one reasons I am not amazingly thrilled with the idea of breeding the English budgie, the Budgerigar society or show budgies in general. The pet type is a much healthier, energetic and adaptable bird.



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    Feather dusters are NEVER something a breeder can or even wants to breed for IN ANY COUNTRY! This is a chromosome malfunction (if you will) similar to Downs Syndrom in humans.

    The “pet type” is ONLY as healthy as a conscientious breeder is willing to put the work into them. Please reference my post to McDenny regarding bird mill breeding. Pet stores now prefer paying $2 for bird mill bred birds instead of the historic rate from conscientious back yard breeders some twenty years ago of $5 a bird.

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Kerry - I would suggest you not get so worked up because someone has a different opinion than you. I do not support breeding mills of any animal. Let me say that again, I do not support mill breeding, American or English. However, I do not support breeding for looks either, which is 100% where the English originated. Confused as to why I didn’t bring that up? Because this post is about English bugs, not American. However, the English budgie is much worse off than the American, it’s hardly fair to compare the two. The Americans DO live longer. Breeding for looks is wrong in any situation. Disagree all you want, as you are entitled to, I am just letting you know my opinion, which we are both entitled to.


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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Hi Kerry I'm aware of how the feather duster deformation comes about, but was simply highlighting that it is a problem specific to the English type, and currently here in the UK it would seem that in the majority of bloodlines here (from what I have read in 'Cage and Aviary birds', and from speaking to the other members of my local BS) a more common, and unwelcome occurrence.
    I admit, though, I was generalising a little when I said 'The pet type is a much healthier, energetic and adaptable bird.' However the generalisation was as a species, not to point out individual breeders, mills or similar. The same could be said with any animal, bird or reptile that is bred, 'you only get out what you put in'.

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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Lee - I saw some video on MySpace that was like "look at this cute bird!" and they thought it was the coolest thing ever


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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    There are English Budgies that have lived to be around the 10 year mark, you know. There is a breeder in San Diego that had a male live to be 11 years old. Supposedly, their average lifespan is 3 to 5 years.

    I currently own a few English Bugs that were very lethargic and did nothing when I got them. Gave them a large cage, stuff to do, good diet and such, and they are all over the place. My English Bugs are more willing to eat and try out new food over their smaller counterparts. The oldest one I have right now is a 4 year old, who will be 5 next year.
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    Re: English Budgie Breeders in California

    Quote Originally Posted by McDenny View Post
    Lee - I saw some video on MySpace that was like "look at this cute bird!" and they thought it was the coolest thing ever
    That's really depressing. If they only understood how awful the condition was, then it might not seem quite as cute.

    There are English Budgies that have lived to be around the 10 year mark, you know. There is a breeder in San Diego that had a male live to be 11 years old. Supposedly, their average lifespan is 3 to 5 years.
    I'm sure nobody doubts that some English bugs do live far beyond their expected age, as a species they do live a much shorter life. I'm not trying to sound harsh, but just because a breeder has an eleven year old, the sad fact is the majority of them won't even live to their expected age.

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