initernational name

[flodu33]

Hello,

I try to give you international term of mutations to understand all over the world...with this name, I talk with breeder in Spain, Italia, Australia, Brasil, Egypt, Phillipines and many other countries...

in roseicollis we have
aqua = dutch blue
turquoise= white face
AquaTurquoise= seagreen
lutino is a green ino, albino combination blue with ino, for other combination you must write ino
ex aqua ino, turquoise ino opaline-ino etc
marbled = edged dilute= american golden cherry (i don't know if you have other name for this mutation)
D for one dark facteur
DD (Double Dark)
ex turquoise DD, green D
cinnamon= american cinnamon
pallid=australian cinnamon
opaline
paleheaded=rose masker
pale fallow
broze fallow
dilute = Imperial golden cherry, or Imperial cherry, or japanese yellow (for roseicollis this name)
misty
dominant bont (pied)
recessive bont(pied) = Australian yellow

in eye ring
we have also
pastel
dec (dark eye clear) maybe you say yellow black eyes?
misty
euwing
edged
mottle who is a progressive pied
faded (we find this mutation just in south America)
and after unofficial term like yellow face who see in south America who are parblue bird (aqua I think)

Also, when 2 mutations are on same chromosome you must use "-"
like opaline-ino or opaline-cinnamon, cinnamon-ino

combination of 2 mutation which are allele, you must use a capital letter for each mutation
ex AquaTurquoise, PallidIno, PastelIno

and maybe I forgot other term, but you can ask me what you don't understand, and I try to answer you...

[ChesterHannah2010]

interesting thank you! so i think my lovies got the faded eye ring http://tinypic.com/r/wl2334/7 is it possible to know what mutations their babies might come with?

[flodu33]

hello

your birds are roseicollis in wild color, so their babies will be wild color except if they are split for mutation (but to know this, we have to know their parents)...

[ChesterHannah2010]

oh ok i dont know their parents... i got them from a pet store...

[SandraK]

Hi Florian - welcome to TF. I don't have lovies but there are several members who have them and love them dearly. Another member you might want to talk to is Marco - marc1972. He has several different types of birds and he loves them all dearly and will tell you so. Enjoy yourself. Tot straks.

[Cheaps]

Someone help me with this:

in roseicollis we have

aqua = dutch blue

AquaTurquoise= seagreen

I dont see the difference. I see birds with an orange brow, a pale face and bib, and a bluish green body, like Maya's Mika. I like the look of the orange brow with the other colors.

[maya_exquisite]

I dont see the difference. I see birds with an orange brow, a pale face and bib, and a bluish green body, like Maya's Mika. I like the look of the orange brow with the other colors.

Dutch Blues have a horn colored beak and a very soft apricot-ish bib. Seagreens have a beak that start off pink (like the Whiteface) and blend to horn and have a creamy bib. It gets tricky, at least to me, telling DB and Seagreen apart when the Seagreens are older because their beak goes from being two-toned to just horn colored after about five or so years. I can never go by the color of their body because dark factors can make a Seagreen look Dutch Blue and there have been Dutch Blues that are "greener" like a Seagreen!

[flodu33]

I show you difference with picture....

here a very good aqua


a pied aqua


on turquoise, have lot of difference with selection
turquoise (of me) which are near blue color





a pied turquoise



a "normal" turquoise





and AquaTurquoise

http://parrotspecies.org/images/Peac...20Lovebird.jpg

an other AquaTurquoise DD

http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/34/88/28/img_4816.jpg

[Cheaps]

I think I see now. Its the color of the face and bib I should be looking at.

[mask]

When it comes to aqua, turquoise and AquaTurquoise it can totally vary. Some turquoise birds are selectively bred to have that pure white mask and blue body, some are not and still have a hint of psittacin showing in the mask. The same goes for aqua and AquaTurquoise. The psittacin reduction is never the same for all birds of these mutations, it varies. You can have a turquoise bird that looks like an AquaTurquoise or an aqua and vice versa.

The list is nice, a good idea. I tried it myself many times but kind of give up now. There's societies out there who refuse to partake in the international naming scheme, probably because they never had the initiative or common sense to put foward the research and work into getting the ball rolling. Instead they stick to their own stupid, misleading names (cough ALBS cough). Genetics is hard enough to learn, we don't need to make it more confusing by enforcing hideous names - jeez it's no wonder there's so many poor quality birds and hybrids out there. Leave em' to it I say.

[Cheaps]

When it comes to aqua, turquoise and AquaTurquoise it can totally vary. Some turquoise birds are selectively bred to have that pure white mask and blue body, some are not and still have a hint of psittacin showing in the mask. The same goes for aqua and AquaTurquoise. The psittacin reduction is never the same for all birds of these mutations, it varies. You can have a turquoise bird that looks like an AquaTurquoise or an aqua and vice versa.

"I like the pretty bird with the orange brow, pale face and green body".

[marc1972]

I show you difference with picture....

here a very good aqua


a pied aqua


on turquoise, have lot of difference with selection
turquoise (of me) which are near blue color





a pied turquoise



a "normal" turquoise





and AquaTurquoise

http://parrotspecies.org/images/Peac...20Lovebird.jpg

an other AquaTurquoise DD

http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/34/88/28/img_4816.jpg

very well! these pics are many useful for understand the difference between aqua,aquaturquoise and turquoise.

[SandraK]

As much as I love the colours of lovies, thank God I've only got Quakes, tiels and gccs!

[flodu33]

to have good information, there are the book of Dirk Van Den Abeele and this of Alessandro D'Angieri, who have a different approach...Best books in world I think for Agapornis...
link of an Egyptian breeders' website which shows the 2 books...

http://roseicollis.net/

[mask]

Do you show your birds Florian? Some very nice *blue* birds there, love the violet opalines!

[flodu33]

yes, turquoise are mine...other pictures of them...

[Indra&Yoshi]

Whoa!!!! These have very beautiful coloring!!!!! That is that one with the white head and the super light blue (like a pastel blue)? It's the 2nd picture.....

[Birdmanca]

I like those bird color photos. Several seem that they are right in front of me. The colors on several of the birds look good. I have small type birds also, that way you can have more birds in the space you have available at home. Plus they can"t bite real hard either.

[flodu33]

Whoa!!!! These have very beautiful coloring!!!!! That is that one with the white head and the super light blue (like a pastel blue)? It's the 2nd picture.....

this bird is an opaline-pallid "blue"...true blue don't exist, it's a selection of turquoise which looks like at blue...

[Cheaps]

true blue don't exist, it's a selection of turquoise which looks like at blue...

I'm curious, why is that?

Those birds dont look naughty with their pastel coloring.

[Indra&Yoshi]

Ooo okay so it's a turquoise pallid opaline? I really like that! I have a pallid seagreen and a seagreen opaline...I wonder if I'd be able to produce that mutation.....hmmmm, I have to look into that. Although I can tell that yours has been selectively bred for those beautiful colors...still though...I am curious....

[Indra&Yoshi]

I'm curious, why is that?

Those birds dont look naughty with their pastel coloring.

Haha that is so true- I've always thought the green series birds with their peach/red faces and little dark eyes look like little trouble makers, way more so than the blue series (or parblue I mean).

[flodu33]

Ooo okay so it's a turquoise pallid opaline? I really like that! I have a pallid seagreen and a seagreen opaline...I wonder if I'd be able to produce that mutation.....hmmmm, I have to look into that. Although I can tell that yours has been selectively bred for those beautiful colors...still though...I am curious....

I think it will be difficult, not to say impossible, start with seagreen bird and come to have "blue" bird..it's long time there is a selection of turquoise in Holland...

[flodu33]

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[Anton]

I find this all confusing to say the least. I only have six babies and they are all colours that I can't pin point. One for example cannot be considered aqua or turqoise anything, to me it looks almost completely "dark grey" allbeiit with a slightly lighter head, is this part of the "blue series" a double DD factor? No colour showing at all, basicaly monochrome. It's name is "mouse" and it's very cute it likes hiding and snuggling close to me.

Another colour that puzzles me is something I saw in Thailand once at the market and once at a good breeder there. http://www.pinlovebird.com/ unfortunately it was a rushed visit and Im not fluent in Thai (from 1-10 Im a 0) so couldn't ask about the colour. The colour is a bright bright but pale pale lime green (closest I can get to describing it), very even no blotches or breaks, the rump is is more or less the same colour too, the flights everything. Then the head is a beutiful bright pale orange no dark grey areas or blotches and completley covers the head as in opaline, the orange on the neck looks airbrushed that is it merges almost invisibly into the shoulder no sudden lines. I LOVE this colour in fact for me it's one of the most beutiful of any thing I've ever seen.

Anyone know what this is called, could it be a dillute/pallid something opaline? Im looking on the net but I dont see this colour, someone in Italy has one very close but they are babies so I can't be sure.