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    Bad Molt - Canary

    Hello, I am new to this site, but I have had my canary for a little over a year. I bought him from a local PetSmart and within the month he visited a vet for a stomach bug. He also has been treated for air sac mites. He is a favorite at my vet's as he is a very sweet canary, but my vet has told me that he might have some type of undetermined virus. We ruled out Feather Disease and polyomavirus, but his beak continues to overgrow (I trim it regularly), and he coughs and wheezes, but not all the time. I have done my research, and he gets fresh water and seed daily which also includes some pellets; he always has a fresh supply of organic fruits and vegetables, cuttle bone, no draft, large flight cage. He hasn't sung in a while, but I knew he was going into molt. My latest concern is that on one of his shoulder blades, the feathers have come in, but there appears to be a staining of blood. His flying is also very compromised. He is staying on lower perches in his cage, but I can tell he wants to fly up, but he cannot. In addition, and this just started this morning, he doesn't appear to be eating. I saw him drink water this morning, but I had someone check in on him (I am at work) and they did not see any evidence of his eating. I will offer him some boiled egg tonight with some chopped greens, but do any of you have any thoughts out there. My vet is not around until Saturday, and perhaps this is a normal molting issue. He seems to be losing so many feathers (they are on the ground), but he doesn't have bald patches. Just the blood staining and loss of appetite. Any thoughts or similar experiences, suggestions on how to make my bird comfortable until Saturday. Thank you.

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    Re: Bad Molt - Canary

    I don't have any canaries although i think losing a lot of feathers and having blood on your birds shoulder blades AND not eating means that your bird is very sick!
    on Saturday take him to the vets as soon as you can!

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    Re: Bad Molt - Canary

    Catherine, loosing lots of feathers and becoming quiet and not eating as much is of course molt issues. All of the behavior you state is usual except the blood. Blood is not uncommon if he hurt himself somehow and may just be favoring the shoulder or area like you and I would if we hurt ourselves. The overall or rather add all of the things you named together and it would appear something is going on, especially if your vet has commented before he believes something underlying is occurring. There are a few things that can be underlying that do not pop up normally or are harder to detect. First thoughts and this is just an example, so do not mistake I am saying this is what it can be. Ornithosis/Psittacosis can hide. Meaning you can add a few things to the bird’s diet in respect to meds and vits that will actually make them seem back to perfect in a few days. Unfortunately it takes a month of dosages to actually clear up these problems. These also do not show up in all birds but hides and only pops up when the birds are stressed as in breeding or molting. Like I said, that is one example and most vets won’t catch it because a broad spectrum antibiotic will not cure, only mask. Specific drugs need be used. What I would suggest, since you have a vet and one who sounds to care is do a full smear work up. You can get samples yourself to avoid stressing the bird out. Take a few q-tips and a sterile container. Take the q-tips and get as many poop samples as you can. The poop is the darker material, the white is the urine. Try and avoid the white but if you get a little from a good q-tip grab no worries. Wrap these samples up and keep them away from being contaminated as much as you can in a sterile container. A small Tupperware type bowl, with a lid that you have cleaned out, works well. Use vinegar if you have any to clean the container not bleach, and then wash it out again very well. Now do not do this until right before you go to the vet, meaning do not do this then store it, you want it as fresh as it can be. Now go to your vet with a prefaced call ahead of time of what you are doing so they are ready. Give them the poop samples and ask them to send these out to a pathologist. A pathologist will take the samples and place them under a microscope and identify every pathogen/germ/bacterial whatever is present. Some cannot be seen but the most harmful ones done by a good pathologist will be identified. They will actually be able to count the god and bad as well as say see normal e-coli/Strep, staph and many others. Like I said before Ornithosis, (look it up) can hide and when it jumps, it can kill. Either way, you will get a full work up of what is going on. Believe me this is much better than the alternative, which would be paying more money to do this as well as a birdy autopsy to find out the same things now while you can help. Not trying to scare you, just trying to steer you in the right directions to get real answers. With the pathology report your vet will not be guessing, he will be able to prescribe the exact medication to attack the real problem. Broad spectrum just won’t do that. We sometimes can actually hinder a vet from not being able to do their jobs completely because they do not have the resources at their offices to do these full types of screening. Most people just won’t spend the money, I understand that, but if you really want an answer, that’s the way to find it. Good luck

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    Re: Bad Molt - Canary

    Thank you both for your responses and thank you 5borders for your suggestions. My canary has a 10 am appointment on Saturday, and I will give them a call regarding getting a pathology report and being prepared for it. 5b are right about my bird being on meds, appearing to get better, and than taking a turn for the worse. I put him in a small cage yesterday so that he could get to his food and water easily, and I made him organic scrambled egg with chopped dandelion and carrots. I was pleased to see him eating. I hope to hear him sing again, but will also be happy if he just has a good quality of life.

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    Re: Bad Molt - Canary

    That happens a lot. A lot of vets hunt for the problem via meds. This is a hard way to get to the bottom of things and sometimes dangerous. Like us, any creature that gets antibiotics administered in which it is the wrong thing only begins to create immunities to drugs. It also can create problems or undo stress on the birds system. I understand vets doing it because they always go at things with broad-spectrum antibiotics, hoping it solves the problem. Of course this does not attack the specific issue. It is also cheaper for everyone but obviously not the best. Unless you get samples to a pathologist, who can see and isolate specific bugs or whatever, how does any know what needs to be done. It is just throwing a dart at it and hoping you hit. Granted, this costs money and most people won’t do this for a bird of this type were it is easier to just replace, or cheaper to replace. I understand both trains of thought, not judging, just saying I understand it. For you making the decision and doing what is needed should be commended. Good on you. It is funny; this goes against a commonly used breeder program. There is a drug called Doxycycline, which may be what your vet specifically prescribes you. If one uses this drug in a broad sense to an entire flock of birds, let’s say 100, you would find out two things. Any bird suffering from Chlamydial, Coccidiosis, Campylobacter or Ornothosis.Psittacsis, weather hidden/dormant or the bird is a carrier will show different reactions. If within three days a carrier or infected bird will appear fine and thus the treatment is carried on for a full 30 days. If the bird does not suffer from these it will after 3 days appear sick and fluffed up, thus you would discontinue the treatment right then. So in essence people will use a drug to get a diagnosis, or pin one further down. After that they will treat with Baycox, Endocox, and Erythromycin or continue the Doxycycine. Anyway, glad you’re taking it in and will get a full knowledge of what you’re dealing with instead of guessing. Your vet should love you for going this far, and so should your bird.

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    Re: Bad Molt - Canary

    Sounds like bird has some health problems. You seem to be doing all the right things for your bird.It is hard to get a high quality bird from many bird store.

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