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    Are my Canaries ready to breed?

    Are my Canaries ready to be put in the same cage? They've known each other for about 2 days. They are in separate cages. When I put one of the Cages farther away they both get crazy and start chirping. Sometimes the male Canary sings. My male Canary always tries to get as close as he can to the female Canary.
    My male and female Canary also kind of looks bored/sad he just stands there and tries to get close to the female. When I didn't have the female he'd fly everywhere. Now he just stands. Should I put them together in the same cage? Also can they use sowing string (String to sow clothes or make) , paper towel, newspaper for the nest? Please help!
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    Manuel, First question is, do you have room or want babies. A normal nest is between 3 to 6 eggs which could obviously yield 3 to six more birds. They will do this again, or continue to try, as long as you let them. Meaning 2, 3 or 4 clutches of eggs. One pair can do this and you can end up with generally, 10 or more birds from one pair in one year. You obviously cannot and should not breed these birds together after that since they are related. Also do not, I repeat do not see dollar signs, you will not make money and you will have trouble getting rid of them. Think hard about this and start reading everything you can on breeding.
    Your questions where (as you described his actions) are true to nature. It is breeding season now and he wants to mate, so he will do whatever it takes to be with the female. He will act the way you describe as well as sometimes get loud and agitated, meaning flitting around his cage. All because he wants to mate. Birds don’t think, they just react to hormones and want to go for it. Unlike humans, they feel it and cannot consciously stop it. If you want young, read everything first, then put them together. If not don’t. I am going to yield to your other question that you’re going too. No judging here, I just really don’t recommend this unless you have studied everything about the process. This is for the bird’s sake more than yours. Many things can go wrong, most deadly, others not so much, but specifics that can be avoided by just educating yourself. Again I am not judging, but anyone who reads up on breeding would realize and be instructed to never use thread for this process. Anything that can get tangled around a bird’s leg “will”. At the minimum it will cause a lifelong deformity, at worst death. There are many nest materials on the market, I recommend: go to http://www.abbaseed.com/ and then to nests and nesting materials, items SJC05 or AVM171, either are good. The nests that are showing on the front page next to nesting material are very good as well. Get some next inserts for them and then nesting material.
    Now hopefully, by just saying the few things I have it will make you really stop and think about all you will need to do/get before you proceed. Of course nature has been doing all of this on its own for thousands of years, but thousands die every year because of not doing it right. Hey, you came here and asked questions, good start. The best book I recommend for you is, Canary Tails by Linda Hogan. Type that in your web browser and by it. It will have everything you will ever need in it if you follow her instructions/recommendations.

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    Re: Are my Canaries ready to breed?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5borders View Post
    Manuel, First question is, do you have room or want babies. A normal nest is between 3 to 6 eggs which could obviously yield 3 to six more birds. They will do this again, or continue to try, as long as you let them. Meaning 2, 3 or 4 clutches of eggs. One pair can do this and you can end up with generally, 10 or more birds from one pair in one year. You obviously cannot and should not breed these birds together after that since they are related. Also do not, I repeat do not see dollar signs, you will not make money and you will have trouble getting rid of them. Think hard about this and start reading everything you can on breeding.
    Your questions where (as you described his actions) are true to nature. It is breeding season now and he wants to mate, so he will do whatever it takes to be with the female. He will act the way you describe as well as sometimes get loud and agitated, meaning flitting around his cage. All because he wants to mate. Birds don’t think, they just react to hormones and want to go for it. Unlike humans, they feel it and cannot consciously stop it. If you want young, read everything first, then put them together. If not don’t. I am going to yield to your other question that you’re going too. No judging here, I just really don’t recommend this unless you have studied everything about the process. This is for the bird’s sake more than yours. Many things can go wrong, most deadly, others not so much, but specifics that can be avoided by just educating yourself. Again I am not judging, but anyone who reads up on breeding would realize and be instructed to never use thread for this process. Anything that can get tangled around a bird’s leg “will”. At the minimum it will cause a lifelong deformity, at worst death. There are many nest materials on the market, I recommend: go to http://www.abbaseed.com/ and then to nests and nesting materials, items SJC05 or AVM171, either are good. The nests that are showing on the front page next to nesting material are very good as well. Get some next inserts for them and then nesting material.
    Now hopefully, by just saying the few things I have it will make you really stop and think about all you will need to do/get before you proceed. Of course nature has been doing all of this on its own for thousands of years, but thousands die every year because of not doing it right. Hey, you came here and asked questions, good start. The best book I recommend for you is, Canary Tails by Linda Hogan. Type that in your web browser and by it. It will have everything you will ever need in it if you follow her instructions/recommendations.
    Yes I do know what I am getting myself into. I'm honestly not looking forward to selling them. Some of my
    family members want Canaries so I would like to breed mine and give them (Family) the chicks. If theres were too many chicks I will try to sell the remaining ones to a great breeeder thay I know. Also I love watching animals! I would love to be a breeder or vetenerian when I grow up! I love animals I used to have Chickens and I would buy them when they were 3 days old and take care of them. I love farm animals! I'm just really worried yanno'? I guess it's just cause I'm scared something bad will happen. I've had canaries before and tried to let them breed but I didn't do the right steps because I didnt really read anything online I just f

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    Re: Are my Canaries ready to breed?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5borders View Post
    Manuel, First question is, do you have room or want babies. A normal nest is between 3 to 6 eggs which could obviously yield 3 to six more birds. They will do this again, or continue to try, as long as you let them. Meaning 2, 3 or 4 clutches of eggs. One pair can do this and you can end up with generally, 10 or more birds from one pair in one year. You obviously cannot and should not breed these birds together after that since they are related. Also do not, I repeat do not see dollar signs, you will not make money and you will have trouble getting rid of them. Think hard about this and start reading everything you can on breeding.
    Your questions where (as you described his actions) are true to nature. It is breeding season now and he wants to mate, so he will do whatever it takes to be with the female. He will act the way you describe as well as sometimes get loud and agitated, meaning flitting around his cage. All because he wants to mate. Birds don’t think, they just react to hormones and want to go for it. Unlike humans, they feel it and cannot consciously stop it. If you want young, read everything first, then put them together. If not don’t. I am going to yield to your other question that you’re going too. No judging here, I just really don’t recommend this unless you have studied everything about the process. This is for the bird’s sake more than yours. Many things can go wrong, most deadly, others not so much, but specifics that can be avoided by just educating yourself. Again I am not judging, but anyone who reads up on breeding would realize and be instructed to never use thread for this process. Anything that can get tangled around a bird’s leg “will”. At the minimum it will cause a lifelong deformity, at worst death. There are many nest materials on the market, I recommend: go to http://www.abbaseed.com/ and then to nests and nesting materials, items SJC05 or AVM171, either are good. The nests that are showing on the front page next to nesting material are very good as well. Get some next inserts for them and then nesting material.
    Now hopefully, by just saying the few things I have it will make you really stop and think about all you will need to do/get before you proceed. Of course nature has been doing all of this on its own for thousands of years, but thousands die every year because of not doing it right. Hey, you came here and asked questions, good start. The best book I recommend for you is, Canary Tails by Linda Hogan. Type that in your web browser and by it. It will have everything you will ever need in it if you follow her instructions/recommendations.
    Yes I do know what I am getting myself into. I tried breeding canaries before but I just followed my parents rules. Which of course they didn't breed or anything. This time I've read online done research and everything. Finally I got my male Canary for my birthday on Saturday. Then I bought a female Canary Monday. They're separated right now. I put them together yesterday and the female didn't like the male Canary with her and she was biting him and chasing him so I separated them. I'm just worried you know? I'm optimistic I think of the bad things that would happen. Like what if they don't like each other?! What if they don't build the right nest?! What if they don't mate?! You get me? It scares me. But I love seeing animals have children! No matter what animal it is! I think I'd like to be a breeder or a vet. Can canaries make their nest with only Newspaper, Paper towel, Toilet paper? I don't really have burlap or those nesting material you were talking about. I don't know if they sell them where I live ( they sell burlap at Walmart though.) . I'm really just scared about them building the nest and when to know when to put them together.

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    Sorry about the first message. Don't read that one I messed up.

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    Manuel, Most of the large box type pet store also carry nexting material. Look them up and call them if there is not a bird specific store in your area. The best material if you can not get it would be toilet paper. Tear up a bunch in small pieces and line the nest with it. Place a bunch in the nest and use your fingers to push it down and make like the nest should be, (lower in the center and then up around the edges. I always make the nests for my birds. They will either use it or rearrange it them selves. Problme is a lot will start throwing the stuff out and rearrange it or just throw it out, which can be frustrating. They will then lay their eggs in an unprotected nest only. This sets the young and adults up for getting their feet caught in the holes or whatnot. Remember if your birds are young, meaning first season ever breeding, they will make mistakes just as you will. Be prepared for heart ache and frustration. Nothing is worst than wanted to help and you can not do anything. They have been doing this for longer than us humans have been around. Breeders have done it for so long we know what to do or rather what problems to eliminate so these problems won't occur. Even then they will. Three thing will occur in general. The eggs will be infertile and never hatch, 2- The parents will be bad parents and the young won't make it, 3- you'll get young besides problems. Give them a nest so they don't lay in the food dish. Give them the tissue paper, they will tear some themselves and let them lay. MAke sure she has calcium w/Vitamin D3 or cuttlebone at the least. They need calcium, the egg making really zaps this from them so they need to replenish it. Egg binding is serious and can occur when they do not get enough. A hen struggling at the bottom of the cage, mouth open and visual in distress is a direct response to low calcium. If she does not get some when in this state she usually will not make it. LAstly read a lot, as much as you can, and follow what you can. Nestling food is different then regular food. The young will need it, most will be listed on the web as egg food reciepies or nestling food. Most stores carry pre made egg food, Cede is probably the one most big box stores carry. Quicko and Abba make some as well. Give it dry, do not add water in your case, and change it daily. Do not over feed it and when breeding is complete discontinue the use of it. Coucous and Quinoa are also good, your after after the protien content. Obviously young need protien to form strong , well everything. Again, read as much as you can and ask question on specifics if what is written does not make complete sense. You will be learning as your birds do as well. Be patient and be ready for set backs and heart ache. It come with doing what your going to do. We breeders lose many babies every year for one or many reasons. It happens in captivity or the wild, part of life, we can only try our best to give them what they need.

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    Manuel, Most of the large box type pet store also carry nexting material. Look them up and call them if there is not a bird specific store in your area. The best material if you can not get it would be toilet paper. Tear up a bunch in small pieces and line the nest with it. Place a bunch in the nest and use your fingers to push it down and make like the nest should be, (lower in the center and then up around the edges. I always make the nests for my birds. They will either use it or rearrange it them selves. Problme is a lot will start throwing the stuff out and rearrange it or just throw it out, which can be frustrating. They will then lay their eggs in an unprotected nest only. This sets the young and adults up for getting their feet caught in the holes or whatnot. Remember if your birds are young, meaning first season ever breeding, they will make mistakes just as you will. Be prepared for heart ache and frustration. Nothing is worst than wanted to help and you can not do anything. They have been doing this for longer than us humans have been around. Breeders have done it for so long we know what to do or rather what problems to eliminate so these problems won't occur. Even then they will. Three thing will occur in general. The eggs will be infertile and never hatch, 2- The parents will be bad parents and the young won't make it, 3- you'll get young besides problems. Give them a nest so they don't lay in the food dish. Give them the tissue paper, they will tear some themselves and let them lay. MAke sure she has calcium w/Vitamin D3 or cuttlebone at the least. They need calcium, the egg making really zaps this from them so they need to replenish it. Egg binding is serious and can occur when they do not get enough. A hen struggling at the bottom of the cage, mouth open and visual in distress is a direct response to low calcium. If she does not get some when in this state she usually will not make it. LAstly read a lot, as much as you can, and follow what you can. Nestling food is different then regular food. The young will need it, most will be listed on the web as egg food reciepies or nestling food. Most stores carry pre made egg food, Cede is probably the one most big box stores carry. Quicko and Abba make some as well. Give it dry, do not add water in your case, and change it daily. Do not over feed it and when breeding is complete discontinue the use of it. Coucous and Quinoa are also good, your after after the protien content. Obviously young need protien to form strong , well everything. Again, read as much as you can and ask question on specifics if what is written does not make complete sense. You will be learning as your birds do as well. Be patient and be ready for set backs and heart ache. It come with doing what your going to do. We breeders lose many babies every year for one or many reasons. It happens in captivity or the wild, part of life, we can only try our best to give them what they need.
    Thanks! Could I message you when I have issues? You're the only one that answers my questions.

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    I would prefer it here. I have done that before and since I do not know you, in the past private messages have been a bad event. Nothing personal, I have just had one very bad experience the other way, and honestly, the private message thing is frustrating to navigate. Ask away. I do suggest again getting Linda Hogans book, or joining her website. I know her and she is one of the nicest people as well as canary breeder/show judge and speaker on everything canary. Her book will be in your hands in about a week for less than $25 total. I must admit, most of us learn exactly the way you are going. We read as much as we can and follow their guide. The rest is keeping notes on everything, or in avian/biologist you name it in regard to animal behavior, observe/note and evaluate. This takes patience and the acknowlegment that things will go wrong and we will lose some, but what did we learn and how can we adjust and do better. Many people here and everywhere get extremely angry at us for this. Their hearts are in the right place, but practicality and advancements for all come from mistakes and learning to befit all and move us forward. History is filled with mistakes, we eveluate and learn from them. It is funny how Robert Stroud, the Birdman of Alcatraz, a convicted killer, advanced canary and bird health issues leaps and bounds. Until his work no one had gone that deep into the what's, why's and hows of Canary Diseases and treatments. From a prison cell he observed, documented, adjusted, tested, attempted many things, failed and succeded and beside his lack of education, learned and documented then shared and advanced avain digagnosis and treatments. The avain vetranairian field has grown but still behind say all other animals. It is just now or in the last 20 years began to grow and specialize. Some of the biggest advancements in canaries, came from a single person seeing something or doing something and bringing it forward. Say the red color in all red factor canaries, was a hybrid cross between a red siskin and a canary. This cross was attempted many times to finally get a bird which was not sterile or in avain speak a mule. Mules by definition are horses and donkies being cross bred creating a mule. Mules then are generally always sterile/infertile or un able to produce young. In birds mule may take many generations or attempts to get a bird that is fertile. When this occured the red color genetically was bred in. So this is known in the canary fancy as the introduction of the red factor as we know it now. This also is how every breed we now have came about, Glosters with their crested, Frill of all kinds, Stafford, Yorkshires, Gibers and Scotts. Remember, all canary's in the wild, (Canary Islands, origin) are green, many years of crossing and the first mutation to just yellow, was bred over and over until varigation and melinine was breed out allowing for the lipochrome gene to come forward. I said a lot here, all in the attempt to hopefully stear you into history, genetics and why our birds are what they are today and where they and the people who created them started and are now. It is fasinating and a lot of fun but takes knowledge, patience and a lot of hard work. You can find mostly everything I eluded too on the web. Just look and learn, I promise you if you are open to it, you'll really have fun.

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    I would prefer it here. I have done that before and since I do not know you, in the past private messages have been a bad event. Nothing personal, I have just had one very bad experience the other way, and honestly, the private message thing is frustrating to navigate. Ask away. I do suggest again getting Linda Hogans book, or joining her website. I know her and she is one of the nicest people as well as canary breeder/show judge and speaker on everything canary. Her book will be in your hands in about a week for less than $25 total. I must admit, most of us learn exactly the way you are going. We read as much as we can and follow their guide. The rest is keeping notes on everything, or in avian/biologist you name it in regard to animal behavior, observe/note and evaluate. This takes patience and the acknowlegment that things will go wrong and we will lose some, but what did we learn and how can we adjust and do better. Many people here and everywhere get extremely angry at us for this. Their hearts are in the right place, but practicality and advancements for all come from mistakes and learning to befit all and move us forward. History is filled with mistakes, we eveluate and learn from them. It is funny how Robert Stroud, the Birdman of Alcatraz, a convicted killer, advanced canary and bird health issues leaps and bounds. Until his work no one had gone that deep into the what's, why's and hows of Canary Diseases and treatments. From a prison cell he observed, documented, adjusted, tested, attempted many things, failed and succeded and beside his lack of education, learned and documented then shared and advanced avain digagnosis and treatments. The avain vetranairian field has grown but still behind say all other animals. It is just now or in the last 20 years began to grow and specialize. Some of the biggest advancements in canaries, came from a single person seeing something or doing something and bringing it forward. Say the red color in all red factor canaries, was a hybrid cross between a red siskin and a canary. This cross was attempted many times to finally get a bird which was not sterile or in avain speak a mule. Mules by definition are horses and donkies being cross bred creating a mule. Mules then are generally always sterile/infertile or un able to produce young. In birds mule may take many generations or attempts to get a bird that is fertile. When this occured the red color genetically was bred in. So this is known in the canary fancy as the introduction of the red factor as we know it now. This also is how every breed we now have came about, Glosters with their crested, Frill of all kinds, Stafford, Yorkshires, Gibers and Scotts. Remember, all canary's in the wild, (Canary Islands, origin) are green, many years of crossing and the first mutation to just yellow, was bred over and over until varigation and melinine was breed out allowing for the lipochrome gene to come forward. I said a lot here, all in the attempt to hopefully stear you into history, genetics and why our birds are what they are today and where they and the people who created them started and are now. It is fasinating and a lot of fun but takes knowledge, patience and a lot of hard work. You can find mostly everything I eluded too on the web. Just look and learn, I promise you if you are open to it, you'll really have fun.
    It's okay I understand!
    Thanks, could you give me the link to her website please?
    I've been reading a lot about canaries lately I hope the first clutch come out all healthy

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    Re: Are my Canaries ready to breed?

    No problem, her site is: http://canarytales.blogspot.com/ or just type in Canary Tails and her name again is Linda Hogan

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    No problem, her site is: http://canarytales.blogspot.com/ or just type in Canary Tails and her name again is Linda Hogan
    Thanks! I will try to find the book at the library. Also will canaries not breed If the cage is small? Or it doesn't matter to them?

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    Oh yes, I just checked their vents and they are both red. Does the males vent appear red and isn't their something coming our from the hole? Or is it just red cause my males is just red. My hens is also red. If both of their vents are red then why aren't they mating? :'( Is it cause they don't have enough space? I have a bigger cage but it only has 1 perch and a swing. I feel like they won't have enough space to move around. Should I just put them in their or just leave them in the same space? I feel like if I move them they'll get mad and well get out of their comfort zone and they're going to take time to get used to the new cage.

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    OK, please do not take what I will say as yelling at you, that is not my intent. Now, these are the things I was speaking about before you started. Everyone or anyone, bringing in to their home, any pet or creature, they should learn everything they can before they do it. The question of what you want from it and then how do I care for it, thus get everything necessary, should be done ahead of time. Please for your birds sake, put them in a cage at least 16”L x 12”W x 12”H. Place the perches so they can move around and the food dishes were they cannot poop in them. Place the nest on the back or side, again were they can’t poop in the food dishes from the nest, then leave them alone, unless they need help or you are cleaning or changing food and water. The more you move them, mess with them, handle them or bother them, the more stressed they will be. If they lay eggs, you will stress them and she will sit to tight and she could die because she will protect the eggs and not eat. OR She will never sit tight out of fear of you and thus the eggs will never incubate and you will lose them.
    During mating or breeding season, the hen when in condition will look different than the male. She will have what is called a breeding patch. Her abdomen will be flat and a little extended, exposed do to the feathers parting and pinkish and warm. If you hold a hen upside down and blow gently on her feather, the patch will be revealed. If she does not have one, she is either a make or not ready for breeding. The make will have a small spikey protrusion with feathers on it. OK yes, that is his sexual organ and it only becomes prominent during breeding. Otherwise both sexes look pretty much the same when not in breeding condition. Breeding condition is generally triggered by 13 hours of light. Temperature and food do help but mostly lighting.
    I do not know if her book is in any libraries, but most all books on canaries, will talk about breeding and the differences and needs. Obviously everyone has their own ideas and ways of doing things but they all pretty much follow the basic principles. The biggest reason people have trouble breeding, and the biggest cause of problems, are lack of preparation and human interference. The people, who interfere or hover, stress the birds and they react badly, physically and psychologically. If a giant kept coming into your room and kept sticking his hands all around, grabbing you and never leaving you alone, you’d be scared to death. They get used to us, but they have to trust us and that comes by treating them with respect and leaving them alone as much as possible. You can be near them, talk to them, clean their environment and feed them. But do it consistently at scheduled times and the same way. They get used to that and what to expect from you. The biggest thing is they get to know you won’t harm them. This is long because you’re beginning to worry me. All will work, just take time and let them do their thing. Feed them the best you can, change their water every day, read as much as you can, watch and observe, take notes. My biggest worry is you’ve put the cart before the horse. Meaning your breeding before you know what to do, or even what the signs are to look for and what they mean so you can give them what they need. Patience and knowledge are the two biggest things you and your birds need.

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    OK, please do not take what I will say as yelling at you, that is not my intent. Now, these are the things I was speaking about before you started. Everyone or anyone, bringing in to their home, any pet or creature, they should learn everything they can before they do it. The question of what you want from it and then how do I care for it, thus get everything necessary, should be done ahead of time. Please for your birds sake, put them in a cage at least 16”L x 12”W x 12”H. Place the perches so they can move around and the food dishes were they cannot poop in them. Place the nest on the back or side, again were they can’t poop in the food dishes from the nest, then leave them alone, unless they need help or you are cleaning or changing food and water. The more you move them, mess with them, handle them or bother them, the more stressed they will be. If they lay eggs, you will stress them and she will sit to tight and she could die because she will protect the eggs and not eat. OR She will never sit tight out of fear of you and thus the eggs will never incubate and you will lose them.
    During mating or breeding season, the hen when in condition will look different than the male. She will have what is called a breeding patch. Her abdomen will be flat and a little extended, exposed do to the feathers parting and pinkish and warm. If you hold a hen upside down and blow gently on her feather, the patch will be revealed. If she does not have one, she is either a make or not ready for breeding. The make will have a small spikey protrusion with feathers on it. OK yes, that is his sexual organ and it only becomes prominent during breeding. Otherwise both sexes look pretty much the same when not in breeding condition. Breeding condition is generally triggered by 13 hours of light. Temperature and food do help but mostly lighting.
    I do not know if her book is in any libraries, but most all books on canaries, will talk about breeding and the differences and needs. Obviously everyone has their own ideas and ways of doing things but they all pretty much follow the basic principles. The biggest reason people have trouble breeding, and the biggest cause of problems, are lack of preparation and human interference. The people, who interfere or hover, stress the birds and they react badly, physically and psychologically. If a giant kept coming into your room and kept sticking his hands all around, grabbing you and never leaving you alone, you’d be scared to death. They get used to us, but they have to trust us and that comes by treating them with respect and leaving them alone as much as possible. You can be near them, talk to them, clean their environment and feed them. But do it consistently at scheduled times and the same way. They get used to that and what to expect from you. The biggest thing is they get to know you won’t harm them. This is long because you’re beginning to worry me. All will work, just take time and let them do their thing. Feed them the best you can, change their water every day, read as much as you can, watch and observe, take notes. My biggest worry is you’ve put the cart before the horse. Meaning your breeding before you know what to do, or even what the signs are to look for and what they mean so you can give them what they need. Patience and knowledge are the two biggest things you and your birds need.
    Oh okay thanks

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    Re: Are my Canaries ready to breed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel_E View Post
    Oh okay thanks
    Oh my males vents is just kind of red theres nothing coming out or anything. My hen on the other hand looks like she is ready. I read on the internet that if the hen is ready and is placed with a male that isn't she will stop being in the breeding mode. Also it says that she will also biker which my hen is always fighting with my male ever 2-4 days! She was fighting with him today. She always starts it though? Would this be why? My hen is also stands on the food for a long time or sometimes drops some on the floor. ( this is also showing she is ready.)

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