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    Sick flock need help

    Last month (around Nov 8, 2016) I woke to a whole flock of sick birds. There was two new factors to consider. One, I adopted two new birds from a private home, and two I accidentally left a window open after a nice warm day. The temperature dropped drastically that night (down to 36 degrees), and it was the very next morning that I noticed bad droppings in the cage. I also spoke with the lady that I got the new birds from and she did not see any unusual droppings. At the time I could not afford to take all 4 birds in to the vet. A local bird shop owner suggested I start with tetracycline which I could buy over the counter at Runnings. Let me start by describing the droppings. Some were a sloppy green. Two birds had severe diarreha. Some started to look creamy and grey. I was extremely concerned about contagious diseases that would transfer to humans, (Chlamydia). I started the tetracycline on Nov. 12 and it seemed to work good right away, however, I honestly did not mix things properly at first. I made a quart of mixture and used it for about a week and things got bad again. I was supposed to mix fresh every day. So I started again on Nov. 20th and made fresh everyday. I did this until Dec. 2nd and stopped administering antibiotics when their droppings had been a very dark green for several days. I began to think maybe they were developing a yeast infection from the antibiotics. I did get something from Runnings that has electrolytes, nutrients, and acidophilus and gave it to them for 2 days now. I was able to come up with enough $ to take one bird to the vet today, Dec. 5, however, they are only going to test for chlamydia and it is going to take 10 to 14 days to get the results back. Having that tested surely will bring some peace of mind but I will still be in the dark in the end if it comes back negative. So this is where I am at now, I am still getting light to medium green droppings, some wet, some pasty, and occasional diarrhea and often a lot of urine. I would like to start them again on tetracycline and was considering ordering nystatin online. I do not know how to dose them with 2 medications. Would I do them together or at different times of the day. If I cannot get this under control I am afraid I will have to put them down. Also noteworthy is that none of them are displaying that they are ill. None are fluffed up, none are at the bottom of the cage, no sneezing, coughing, or vomiting. Just bad droppings. I am not going to do anything until I have some feedback. I am a nervous wreck!

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    Re: Sick flock need help

    Hi, and welcome to the forum. Did you immediately put the new birds in the cage with your birds? Generally it is recommended to quarintine new birds in another room or at a considerable distance for 30 days, so that if there is illness in the new birds, the other ones will not get sick. Did you recently change their diet before you got the new birds? Did you use any of the seed the new birds had been eating in the cage of your own birds?

    Personally, I feel there has to be a bacteria that had developed in one or more birds. It would be difficult to say which birds, but all birds hide their illnesses very cleverly, and can pass infections easy and fast. It is much like young children getting the flu.

    There are avian vets that have websites where you can write and present the symptoms of the illness and they will answer you. Google....Avian Vets on line. You should be able to get several websites that way.

    I am so sorry for you this has happened. I am afraid, without having Vet treatment, since there are several birds involved, you may lose one or more of them. I hope you can get help ASAP. Do keep us posted. I will pray they all will survive.
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    Re: Sick flock need help

    Thank you for responding. I did take one of my birds, Luna, to the vet yesterday. They are not avian vets and the closest specialist is 300 miles away. They did a swab and are only going to test for chlamydia. And it is going to take up to two weeks for results. The vet recommended that I continue the tetracycline I purchased over the counter. But since our visit yesterday Luna's vent is infected and swollen. She wasn't puffy or sitting at the bottom of the cage before the visit but is now. They saw her again this morning and put antibiotic ointment on it. This is so incredibly emotional for me because I have been working so hard to get them well and honestly have been doing a good job. I've done a lot of research. Things are getting better as far as droppings are concerned. I started them on apple cider vinegar. However, I should find some that is raw and unfiltered for best results. I'm just using stuff I had in my cupboard. I hope Luna's vent area gets better. It doesn't look good right now.

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    Re: Sick flock need help

    Did the vet check Luna for possible egg binding? Has she ever laid eggs. Hens can lay eggs even without a mate. Since she is swollen in that area, it could be she is trying to pass an egg. Egg binding can be fatal if they cannot push the egg out. It can break inside. And that causes infection. Watch her carefully to be sure you do not see blood or a yellow discharge, whiich could be the yolk of a broken egg. I would call the vet and let him know the symptoms she has developed. Since she is sitting on the cage floor and is puffed up, that could also signal egg binding. They may have you bring her back.

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    Re: Sick flock need help

    Quote Originally Posted by maxollie View Post
    Did the vet check Luna for possible egg binding? Has she ever laid eggs. Hens can lay eggs even without a mate. Since she is swollen in that area, it could be she is trying to pass an egg. Egg binding can be fatal if they cannot push the egg out. It can break inside. And that causes infection. Watch her carefully to be sure you do not see blood or a yellow discharge, whiich could be the yolk of a broken egg. I would call the vet and let him know the symptoms she has developed. Since she is sitting on the cage floor and is puffed up, that could also signal egg binding. They may have you bring her back.
    Thank you. She has never laid an egg yet. She is about a year old and she was in season when I took her in. Honestly I thought they were just going to take a fecal sample, which they ended up doing in the end. I did take her back in and all they did for her was put some antibiotic ointment on the area. She might have an egg but really I think they hurt her during the swab. She is not looking good and gets worse by the hour. Tonight I cleaned her real good, applied ointment, held her and pet her and she was not puffed up when I turned off the lights. We will see how she is in the morning but I don't think she is going to make it. Honestly, in my opinion, the vet I saw is not very knowledgeable in avian care. There is not an avian specialist anywhere closer than 300 miles from me. I will let you know how things are tomorrow.

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    Re: Sick flock need help

    I would think like Maxollie that perhaps Luna is ready to have a egg or worse is egg bound and really hoping that she is not egg bound.

    Budgies are also very prone to Avian Gastric Yeast (AGY). Until it gets real bad it does not seem to affect anything except there poos. My lovebird had it and his poos were darker green and usually also very wet with lots of clear water in them. Sometimes they would be perfect and at times they would be just a worm looking darker green part with all kinds of water around it. A vet can spot the AGY rods in their poos if they look at through a microscope but not always. My lovies hid inside him for almost two years before finally showing up in his poos. My friend is a foster parent for a big bird rescue here and about half of the foster budgies she takes in have AGY. If treated early it is very treatable. I do not think AGY would cause Lunas vet to get swollen though but it definitely would change the poos.
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