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    Possible causes?

    My bird can't fly. All he does is kind of jump up a little and try to fly, but no luck. I can't even call that gliding because he just falls to the ground.

    Since I bought him on 9/9/16, I feel he should be able to fly. Or at least something close to flying. His feathers don't look smooth and he looks like he is still missing some. If you are someonewho has come across my threads about him before, you'll know that he hasn't really been growing new feathers much.

    So my question is what things can possibly cause this? If it is PBFD, it is to such an extend that you can't really see the symptoms much other than 3-4 weird-looking feathers and not full wings to lift him. The rest of his body is perfectly covered in small feathers. I don't know anything about his life before buying him, if he had clipped feathers or not or anything like that. So I want all possible causes for that. Also note that there are no avian vets in my city and I would have to travel for at least 3 hours to take him to a vet that could maybe have some experience with birds. I have to play the vet here.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    I would suggest you search the web for .....on line Avian Vets. There are Vets who will allow you to ask questions and explain what is happening with your bird.
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    Re: Possible causes?

    Good recommendation, I had no idea this was a thing. I'll give it a try but I won't get my hopes up. I've been trying to find an answer for months now but no luck. I'd still appreciate people's opinions here.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    Can you post a pic of your bird?

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    Re: Possible causes?

    http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psdvlrbrw9.jpg
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    And this one is from when I got him...http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...pstcxh6vjt.jpg

    He is a scaredy cat and he doesn't like me touching him so that's the best I could do right now. Also, ignore the background, I just woke up lol.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    What's your birds name Vicky?

    First off, your bird doesn't have flight feathers and didn't have them when you got him...they were clipped. So he wouldn't be able to fly. Birds go through a molt where they replace all their feathers little by little until he has all new feathers. It happens over the course of months for the birds safety, so he's never bald or unable to fly because of missing feathers.

    If a bird loses a random feather in life, the body will start to replace it immediately. In the case of clipping a feather, the feather base is still in the body so the body doesn't know the feathers been clipped. These clipped feathers won't be replaced until the bird goes through it's molt.

    In the current pics of your bird, there's some feathers that looked tattered...like he might be pulling and chewing on them. I'd keep an eye on that.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    They don't look clipped though. That was the first thing I thought of when I took him home and had a closer look but that's where they stop. They don't look like someone cut the ends. And that's only on his right wing. I haven't seen him chew on his feathers but he doesn't let me handle him to have a closer look so I don't know what to tell you.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    He's Terry by the way. Or she.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    Does Terry have any toys? Apart from the few wing feathers he looks pretty good. Do you ever see him chewing Them? I'm wondering if it could be self inflicted coz certainly one of thewlooks chewed.

    If his cage is empty could be boredom?

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    Re: Possible causes?

    My daughters bird is barbering his wing feathers and cannot fly much because of it. He doesnt do it to any feathers except his wings. Look closely and see if your birds feathers are missing some of the tiny feathers on the shaft. Tikki goes for the base of the feathers and leaves the tip of the feathers alone. His vet told my daughter to give him a dab of organic red palm oil daily to help his feathers. Its a habit that is hard for them to stop.
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    Re: Possible causes?

    I don't think it's boredom. He is not always very energetic so he sleeps but the rest of the day I either let him run free in my room or put his cage outside next to our canary, which he really enjoys. He never seemed interested to toys I made him but he loves chewing on the plastic perches so much that one of them is almost completely gone. I just let him chew on them since he likes it so much.

    How can I stop him from chewing on his feathers? Is it like when people bite their nails and their fingers? I do that a lot and only a really bad tasting cream could stop me from making my fingers bleed so I am thinking that maybe this could help him too. But whattastes really awful to parrots that won't harm them? There's also the fact that he doesn't like it when I touch him so putting any kind of cream on him will be a challenge but nothing is easy with this bird.

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    Re: Possible causes?

    I would not use creams unless a vet approves them. Any oils or creams will cause itchy skin, and you would have to use Dawn dish soap to clean him up.

    I have wooden perches for my birds. I am concerned any small pieces of plastic, if swallowed, could get stuck in the stomach,esophagus, or intestines. It is very difficult to stop the feather barbing or plucking.

    I read in another thread, that our member, Deanna, recommends red palm oil for feather barbing. Maybe it would help Terry. She wrote that her daughter and her give a drop or two by mouth, to Tikki, their conure.
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    Re: Possible causes?

    Yeah I saw that about the red palm oil...But how can it make a difference if he keeps chewing his feathers?

    I read that someone dissolved some mustard in some water and sprayed the feathers and the bird stopped that bad habit completely but I'm not sure if it's okay for parrots to eat mustard...Maybe if it's that small of an amount it's okay but I don't want to test it and see. I could use something like these things you put on dogs after surgeries so they don't lick the scar...But maybe that's taking it too far?

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    Re: Possible causes?

    Birds do not like bandages, or splints, or anything on their bodies. I am speaking of treatments that vets do when a bird is injured. Personally, I would call an avian vet and ask them what to use.
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    Re: Possible causes?

    Hi Vicky, I saw your post and thought I would reply too. I have 8 lovebirds in total and 2 of them do not fly properly. One has had feather growing issues since we got her and the other got purchased with a flight feather already clipped. Asha the one with problems, I honestly don't think I will ever know what it is. If you go through and read my other posts on this forum (posts that I started myself) you will see everything about her, but basically, at first she just did not have a flight feather at all on her left side and then she was getting feathers poking out (still on the left side), then her left flight feather actually grew and she had both her flight feathers, but because it took so long to grow she doesn't really know how to fly properly but shes still doing ok, and she was the same as yours in which at first she would attempt to fly and just land on the floor. Now she can maintain height but if something is too far away eventually she just lands on the floor again but its better than before. BUT again, she is getting feathers growing the wrong way on her left side. Always the left side. I'm the same as you in which I don't have a special avian vet nearby the nearest one is about 3-4 hours away in the capital of the state I live, and he is actually a really rude person. Local vets don't really know much about birds, but I managed to find one vet who had a little knowledge of birds and she is my go to lady now and is about 20 minutes away, if she doesn't know something she refers to books that she has but she handles birds with her hands extremely well so I trust her, and she gave the best advice on Asha in which she said it could have been a few things, she could have a cyst on her left side, it could have been an injury in the past that has damaged the feather follicle and has caused it to grow the wrong way a lot. The main thing she said was if shes happy and eating and drinking a lot and playing then we should let her be. She ruled out PBFD as apparently with that disease its usually both sides of the feathers that have issues not just one side and another vet confirmed this too and also there would be issues with the beak which there isn't.

    My other lovebird Nala, was purchased already clipped but it was a really bad job, and I think the person we got him and his bonded friend from lied as she said the breeder did it but I think she did it as surely a breeder knows how to clip properly. Nala cant fly at all everytime he tries its like he does a backflip, I feel bad for him but I'm glad that I got him to make sure he will be ok, and as Tim mentioned above I think feathers grow back after their molt, and my birds are all currently moulting now, I don't know how long it takes but I hope his little flight feather grows, hes a really small bird (and chubby he loves to eat!) so I'm pretty sure hes only about 5 months old, when we got him 3 months ago we were told he was about 2 or so months. The person we got him from said the breeder clipped him because he wanted to use him for breeding later, but it doesn't make sense, why would he get clipped if he is still just a baby.

    Sorry for my long post, once I start typing I go on and on and on I guess I wanted to mention that it could be a few things and wanted to let you know the things I was told by a vet incase it could be the same for your little Terry. Previous injuries affecting growth, any kind of cyst (which you would need to feel him for), whether he was clipped (which I think Tim above mentioned he thinks he is).

    I've heard of those online vets, I considered using them too but then found the vet 20 minutes away instead, not avian qualified but has relevant knowledge. I do sometimes feel the same as you and feel like I'm on my own when it comes to the birdies health. I always hope that they stay healthy happy and strong. With those online vets, I think they are based in the USA, and you type in your full question, and you pay a $5 deposit to get I think a partial answer, the vet will actually write to you, and then you pay I think the full fee which is $50. I THINK, I haven't checked this in awhile but it was something like that, but I think its legitimate.

    Are there any vets near you at all? Not avian specialists, just in general vets? Maybe you can ring or check their websites to see if they accept birds as well for check ups? And if you go you can see yourself how they handle your bird with their hands, whether they are scared etc because sometimes a vet might be good with birds but they are not avian specialists but they might have avian knowledge even just a little bit.

    Another option is local pet shops near you. not major businesses but maybe there is a family owned one that sells birds and breeds them themselves? We have one like that near me and even though its a shop that sells and is a business, the owner breeds her own birds and hand raises a lot of them and has really good knowledge on caring for birds, its not the same as a vet but sometimes this can help too as these kinds of business owners still care for their birds and know at least the basics of first aid for birds, how to feed them properly, best toys etc.

    With the feather chewing, I was thinking the same that it could be boredom. Sometimes they are happy playing with their toys but then they get bored and want to do something else for awhile. I would suggest if possible, more toys and letting him to what he enjoys most, to distract him from trying to chew on his feathers, if that's being near the canary then do more of that as then he wont think about chewing his feathers but definitely keep an eye on the chewing.

    I hope this helps and sorry if I've clogged up this thread!

    Laila

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