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    Re: needing help with budgie

    We do not know how Boomer got the AGY and it hid so deeply inside of him that even his vet had a very hard time finding it. It is possible I picked it up from someones bird or at a bird shop and brought it home to Boomer. It didnt come from his vets office because he never went to a vet until he got sick with it. It took almost 2 years to diagnose it because it hid so well in him but we were treating him for it about 3 months before she finally found it. Helen, Pixibubbles, treated her sparky with citric acid in her water and we used Diflucan which kept it at bay but didnt get rid of it.

    Birds with stomach problems are always the hardest to treat. I do recommend only good quality seeds and only pellets that are all human grade foods with no additives in it. Natural things are always the best for digestive issues. A little apple cider vinegar in water helps too but just a tiny bit and not everyday.
    Fly Free Boomer, we will forever love you.

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    Re: needing help with budgie

    Thanks Deanna. Poor little boomer. That would have been so hard to see him suffering and not knowing what the problem was. May I ask what were his symptoms? From what I have Read there doesnt seem to be a cure for AGY just medications to manage it? My partner is the only one that handles the birds in the garage, and he doesnt handle the doves or pigeons as they do their own thing. He has a shower every time he comes back inside from the garage to avoid spreading anything. I only go to the garage from time to time to just see what is going on there and check on the doves. It is more his space for rehabilitating and releasing wild birds when needed but he hasn't done that for awhile. I mostly stay in the house with the lovebirds and other ones.

    We do get good quality seeds in bulk now. They are made locally in a suburb about an hour away from here. The only pellets that are sold in shops here are the vetafarm brand. We give that to the conures because they love pellets with their seeds and fruits. Sometimes we will sprinkle some now on the other ones but not all the time. Iki (one of the lovebirds) has recently taken a liking to pellets too. She did lay two eggs previously though so probably she felt the lack of nutrients and felt the pellets replenished that. I think Araik and Angel the peach faces have tried the pellets too. I don't force it on them but if they pinch some for a little bit of added nutrients that would be good. But everyone gets their fresh veggies regularly.

    The budgie is also now eating from the good quality seed mix too. Since that day that she wasn't eating, she has been eating a lot again. So it was just the one day that happened and I'm not sure why. But now it seems the crust is slowly coming back to her eye / cere again. My partner noticed it yesterday. I didn't notice it yesterday as it looked normal to me but when I looked again today it seemed like a bit of crust had developed again near the cere part near her eye. This makes me even more hesitant to bring her in the house. I don't know what is going on. But the garage is warm all of the time and my partner is leaving the oil filled heater there turned on for longer during the night and goes to turn it off before our own bedtime to keep warm there. I wish I at least knew if what is wrong with her is contagious. And if it's treatable.

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    Re: needing help with budgie

    I think mites that cause them to get scaly face but I am not sure. I once took care of a flock of budgies here for a week and half of them had scaly brown stuff on their ceres and beak. Some of them looked awful but it didnt seem to bother them at all. Thankfully we didnt have any birds here so it wasnt a problem to bird sit for them. I wonder if the mite treatment didnt get rid of all the mites on the budgie?

    AGY is treatable if caught early. Boomer hid his too long to treat correctly. He was happy and lived it least 3 years with it but I really did learn how to feed him the foods that didnt cause him grief and what to do to make him comfortable. He had ulcers in his crop which no doubt hurt him. They found it in him about 6 months before he died so it was just too late even though she treated him for it almost the whole time he was sick. With Boomer I noticed a head and neck twitch stretch thing he did especially after he ate. He would stretch his head sort of up and back and then jerk his head a few times. His vet told me it was him stretching out his crop and esophagus to open it up to let the gas out that had to be way down in his gizzard (belly). He did this jerk thing a few times and seeds would come up which he swallowed right back down. It broke my heart seeing him do this because it distressed him and must of hurt him. Just typing this made me get teary eyed because sweet boomer fought so hard to get better and had to be in pain He was happy though and he got the best loving people and vets to help him. His vet use to take him in her office just to monitor him when he was really sick because she too had to have loved him. The office people laughed at him because through out it all little boomer was a horny bird and humped anything that fit between his legs... silly little bird! As she said he was "super" bird because he lived with it for over 3 years because we were all smart enough to figure out what hurt him and flared it up and gave him good things. No sugars at all, no spicy things and lots of lovings. He ate roudybush pellets and good fresh seeds his last years of life and was happy.

    Warmth and good quality seeds are to me the best thing. Always lots of fresh water and of course love. Love make us all feel better and gives us strength to get well again. I hope this little budgie will thrive and get well again and hopefully you can find a vet that can help it out so it can become a member of your household and live the good life it deserves.
    Fly Free Boomer, we will forever love you.

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    Re: needing help with budgie

    Oh Deanna it brings tears to me eyes reading about boomer's struggle too. I can just picture what a sweet little fighter he was. I don't think any bird wants to be sick they just want to live and thrive forever. It breaks my heart thinking about birds who are ill especially through no fault of their own or their owners. Maybe age does get to them eventually like it can with humans sometimes.

    I am also wondering if the mite treatment didn't treat the budgie properly either. I just do not know. I get so confused. I know that we can't really see mites ourselves, but I had read if we use clear or white coloured blankets they can appear as dots and the budgie does have a white blanket as her first layer and no dots have appeared. Or maybe if it was mites, they have gone now but did too much internal damage. So far she is still the same, eating a lot and mostly resting during the day. I think from her seed mix she eats the millet and canary seed. I think the canary seed is healthy? And she does eat green vegetables too. My partner will feed them to her and she eats them. I think she is getting used to my partner though. She can step up on his finger. But she makes cranky sounds when he tries to grab her sometimes. I can't describe her sound properly but I suppose picture a regular cranky budgie? But she still has the crust re-developing again. She is also gaining more flight when she flies. She can fly further around the garage now so she must be gaining some strength back.

    We made an appointment with a vet here, one of the local ones, for next Thursday so in a week's time. This vet is always booked out and was out of the office for a long time from an accident. But at that clinic he is the only one who knows somewhat something about birds (this is not the one with some qualifications on birds, its the other one who we took Nico to last year when she wasn't well). Partner really wants the budgie to see him for some reason because he studied or observed budgies and Australian birds in the desert or something. Well he did help our Nico last year and appeared to have better knowledge than the first time we saw him. He's just hard to get an appointment with which is usually why we end up at the other clinic with the vet that does have the qualifications because he usually has more appointments available at shorter notice. I probably would have picked the vet with the qualifications though but hopefully next week goes well nonetheless. They should reserve some appointments for birds with him so that us bird owners get a quicker chance and let the cat and dog owners be with the other vets more. They have a lot of vets at that clinic who all specialise in dogs and cats so it feels unfair that this guy gets booked out too quick.

    I am hoping the vet can figure out what is wrong and treat her too. We were hoping to eventually get her a budgie friend once she's 100% better. I agree love makes us all feel better! And warmth and quality food! For both humans and animals.
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    Re: needing help with budgie

    Hello! I dont presume to know very much about budgies, at least I mean I need to learn more, but the inability to gain weight and beak overgrowth seems indicative of a liver disease. The crust on her eye could be a sign of an infection, and I'm more inclined to think of it as an infection that to be from mites. Liver disease can lead to a decreased ability to fight off infection.

    Here is a link about Fatty Liver Disease. https://www.lovinghands.com/forms/He...%20Disease.pdf It says obesity is a symptom, but it would make sense that perhaps this bird lost the extra weight after becoming obsese, perhaps due to it presumably living outside when your shopkeep found it.

    This is purely conjecture and I am not sure you should put too much stock into what I'm saying, but I figured I'd mention it just in case. Thank you for taking this bird in and getting it veterinary help. I hope things go well for both you and birdy.

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    Re: needing help with budgie

    Hi Amber, nice to meet you and thank you so much for your input too. I do think it could possibly be liver problems as well. We had a lovebird pass away last year due to liver problems, which was heartbreaking because it happened all so suddenly over the course of a few days and before we knew it our precious kiara was gone. And we feed our birds good diets so I did think it could have been something genetic or her diet before we got her and her friend kovu wasn't good.

    However, apparently tweety the budgie is gaining more weight now. But it is possible she may need her beak trimmed from time to time. And the crust on her eye is my main concern too. As well as the feather surrounding her beak which appear, I guess I could say crusty? a little bit more white in colour than her pure yellow colour? This is what makes me hesitant to being her into the house to be near the indoor birds, incase of an infection. But in saying that, I think she is really warm in the garage, and the doves are there in their own cages too (they've always lived outside even before we were given them) and make soft noises throughout the day so she's not lonely and if she needs more rest she can get that rest there instead of in the house which can get quite noisy with the medium sized birds.

    We have a vet appointment tomorrow morning so I really hope it goes well. We dont have avian vets where I am. Only one vet studied birds and can treat common illnesses (and has helped our conure in the past when she was ill) but doesnt specialise in avian medicine. The one we are visiting tomorrow is probably similar, maybe a little less knowledge, but I think he has studied Australian birds in their natural habitats. He does have better knowledge than the first time we ever saw him though. I just hope they can tell us what is wrong and if she can be treated and if she is contagious.

    Thanks again for your input. I'll update here once I know more. I usually never posted much on the budgie threads before and usually dont post replies on the budgie threads either because I mostly have lovebirds. But I think now that tweety is here, I may just pop onto this part of the forums a bit more!

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    Re: needing help with budgie

    Ok I have an update - the vet saw her yesterday. He did think that she should not be so tired all the time after over a month of being with us and being cared for and said she seems to just look too sleepy. I forgot to mention she does have a bald patch on her head. He did wonder if she had been attacked beforehand. And like me, he was concerned about the white patches of feathers surrounding her beak. Partner kept saying maybe its from when he feeds her fruits and the water sticks around ,but he also said he has bathed her before so it shouldn't stay like that. She also has a slight shiver in her tail, something that ashu had when she wasn't feeling well, and same with Nico the conure. Anyway the vet was able to handle her as she is quite small and she doesnt bite. Maybe because she's weak? Anyway the vet said he can see she is not at 100% health just yet.

    Well he also saw her poop which he said looks normal. He said he would be more concerned if the white part of the poop wasn't showing if it was too watery which it wasn't so no kidney problems according to him. And her poops are smaller because she is a smaller bird. I did mention to the vet that sometimes her poop gets stuck in her bottom but he didnt seem too concerned about that because the colouration and consistency of the poop appeared normal. He also knows about how to tell males from females with their ceres etc, so I think that the birds he has observed or studied would have mostly been budgies or other Australian birds.

    He prescribed her psittavet which was also given to our conure in the past and is supposed to clear up any bacterial infections. She will be given a pinch in the morning for a week and if there isn't any improvement he said to bring her back and he can see if he should rub avimec on her (something for mites). He doesnt think its mites though and thinks that she has suffered a lot of trauma. And that she's a cranky little bird lol. Because if we move her bowl or try to catch her she makes a cranky soft little chattering sound. She did the same when he tried to pick her up from her carrier.

    We asked if he thinks she has something contagious, he thinks not, but just as a precaution she will stay in the garage for a bit longer while she's taking the medicine. We still need to get her another cage that would be used for indoors anyway which we haven't done. It's more quieter there too with the doves and its kept warm with a safe oil filled heater until we go to bed ourselves. The birds indoors are quite loud, especially the medium sized ones and now socrates the ringneck keeps shouting from 6 or 7 in the morning which no doubt will disturb her resting. and rico the red conure shouts at night for an hour after bedtime.

    I hope the medicine helps her. If we do have to take her again to the vet I will need to check when it will be safe to get her a friend. I think she is ok with the doves around but probably she would like one of her own eventually but I don't want to risk exposing a new bird to anything either especially since they would be in the same cage.
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